Karma with Archangels — Transferred from the CUD Portal.

Valuable discussion from CUD.

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The topic shows techniques used by Archangels to capture human Souls. Those writing the texts divided into admirers dependent on Archangels and those who became aware of their entanglement. The former have for years shown themselves to be burdened with black magic, the white astral realm. They carry within themselves the heavy karma of SS men, etc. These energies correlate with one another and mutually reinforce each other.

The “spiritual dimwits,” as they are called on this portal, also spoke up — they can be recognized by posts full of joyful multiplication of stupidity.

Note: The initiator of this topic surrendered herself to the energies of the Archangels and within a short time dramatically announced that she had become an opponent of God.

2008-05-31 23:30 jacek now (m)

Leszek,

But it is not you who are the main guardian of these manipulations.

The main guardian of these manipulations on the Forum is “Public Relation” (this is the person who manipulates others most strongly, and is himself/herself most strongly manipulated by the main Manipulator).

There are several lesser guardians (such tiny ones), including you, and one of the guardians stopped acting as a guardian some time ago.

But there seem to be very many manipulated people.

I had very strong manipulations.

The main manipulator is a being from the level of the “monadic shell,” possessing a monad.

I suppose that “Public Relation,” at an early stage of his/her evolution (shortly after separation from the Logos), also played such a manipulative role, and now the law of karma has made itself known.

2008-05-31 22:29 verowa (f)

a valid remark (that there may have been many of them). all that remains for me is to investigate the subject and my personal case. someday I will probably reach the beginning of this adventure. although probably the colleagues who had or still have similar adventures with metatron and the rest of the company from jam, are probably also subject/were subject to the same group

2008-05-31 22:24 Leszek (m)

1. A valid clarification.
2. There is certainly some truth in the messages about Archangels, just as there is in the messages about Devas and Asuras.
3. There is something in the story you referred to. But do I know whether it concerned Archangels and Angel-Land? Perhaps Devas and Asuras?

There could have been many more similar situations, in various places in the Universe. Also on Earth (Lemuria or the continent of Mu).

2008-05-31 22:18 verowa (f)

so, to clarify, there is God and one should turn to Him, while all messengers should look for followers somewhere else? archangels are the same kind of “divine mothers” as the rest?

that is also what came out of my recent adventures.

as for confusion concerning archangels, it is not difficult to fall into it, after all there are masses of messages about archangels. so are the archangels from Angel-Land different beings from the mythical archangels or archangels from tarot? (by mythical, I understand those mentioned in sacred books). or is it actually the same thing, the same untrue messages about angels who elevated themselves above others.

what do you think about what came up for Moses (I do not remember where) in a session concerning the oldest angels who came from other universes to the vicinity of Earth, where they encountered local angels? the oldest ones were supposed to have greater powers (archangels?), the younger ones were gentler (Angel-Land??), then of course confusion and fighting, manipulations.

maybe all of this together forms a complete picture?

2008-05-31 21:53 Leszek (m)

verowa

I understand your concern, because I too am somewhat surprised by the confusion concerning Archangels that has revealed itself only in THIS thread. So some people confuse the Archangels from Angel-Land with the attributes of mythical Archangels, or even assign to them the meaning they know from tarot.

What I know, I have written. And if those Archangels are beings who are not enlightened at all, but cut off from God — strongly individualized (with a strongly developed ego) — then there is no point in praying to them. Some of them today have human bodies and strong patterns of burdens in the subconscious. And prayers directed to them additionally burden their karma.

Yes, Messengers of God do exist. But they are self-appointed individuals who may even be at a very high level of spiritual development. Such people have always appeared throughout history. A few times even I managed to get myself into that job, because I did not want to feel inferior, and thanks to that I could improve my self-esteem (make myself feel more important). But the most important intention for me was that I did not have to work, while I always had something to eat because the faithful took care of it. I want to emphasize here that my intention was unusual for this group of beings, although I identified it as the main one among the disciples in Sai Baba’s ashram.

The intention of a “Messenger of God” is to be someone important in the eyes of the crowd, someone “closer to God” than all the rest (the rabble).

2008-05-31 21:45 Sylvia (f)

Łukasz83

You did the right thing 🙂

2008-05-31 21:14 Łukasz 83 (m)

Today at the first-degree Reiki initiation, during the initiation, a recording was played invoking archangels and a guardian angel. I refused to allow them to come and remained only in a light state of relaxation. I did not have any trips like the others or “beautiful” energies, and after the meditation I told the Mistress who was initiating me that I do not need intermediaries in my contact with God.

I am still not entirely sure whether my feelings are right, but I simply cannot bring myself to trust archangels, angels and others 🙂

2008-05-31 21:10 verowa (f)

for me personally, it does not matter so much from which level the archangels operate. what mattered more was the discovery itself that they operate and how they operate. so I do not know whether from the causal level or another one. in myself I saw codes placed on the chakras of the astral body, but undoubtedly this company has considerable abilities and perhaps can also block other spheres or bodies. and certainly it closely guards its own flock.

leszek, if you can, I would like more information about archangels.

the basic question is whether those oldest angels who called themselves archi- are the same ones who appear in various religions of the world, the same “voices of god” and powers of god, split rays, etc., or perhaps there are some true messengers of god and this company impersonates them? in a word, are prayers and requests for help directed to archangels justified or not? my intuition and now my experience tell me no, but many people maintain that they are.

as for luminous divine beings, guardians or others, no one denies their existence or positive activity. but it is worth seeing who a person has become dependent on and why they think it is God.

jacek, today around noon I saw your soul becoming entangled and it was connected with archangels. just in case, check your liberation again after some time.

ulotny, you also have codes cleverly attached to the very edges of the chakras.

2008-05-31 19:37 UlotnyDym (m)

It is good that you wrote this:

First Self (“Alpha,” personality) — astral manipulations, mental manipulations

Second Self (“Beta,” soul) — causal manipulations of Metatron’s mafia

Third Self (“Delta,” spirit, higher self) — manipulations of K-symbionts at the level of intentions

That would agree very strongly with what I see and feel, meaning “Tripersonality.” If later, in the summary, you could write how the matter looks and looked with burdens originating from “arch..” or “doctors,” meaning differently realized spiritual beings, people from this thread.

P.S.

I feel that something has moved in the heart and a little in the third eye and crown, but the seventh chakra is still a pump. I no longer have the strength to explain things to the Soul and answer again and again. I found this method of asking the Soul a question: “Why do I have this clamp around the edges of the heart chakra?” and I begin to listen: “because I did this, because I agreed here, because I swore there” — hooks.

2008-05-31 18:53 Leszek (m)

Well, it annoys me somewhat when I read that some manipulations or manipulating beings originate from levels higher than the buddhic or atmic levels. THAT DOES NOT AGREE either with my experience or with the experience and knowledge of esotericists who have explored this subject deeply and described it well. I recommend carefully reading Powell’s books The Causal Body and the Ego, and also, if I remember the title correctly: The Solar System.

Let us not overdo multiplying worlds beyond necessity (the famous Occam’s Razor, which is several hundred years old). Here someone is multiplying worlds of manipulators beyond common sense. If these claims were taken seriously, then no spiritual practice would make any sense, and enlightenment would be nothing more than falling from one level of manipulation into a higher one. And that too does not agree with… reality or with esoteric knowledge accumulated over thousands of years.

I myself remember — still from Angel-Land — luminous beings that moved upward through energetic levels, while the UA went downward. They JUST ARE (exist), although sometimes they serve as spiritual guardians and interfere in nothing. They are BEYOND intentions and manipulations, but allow us to make use of their energetic potential and their consciousness when we approach (attune ourselves to) the level of divine vibrations. These beings are in complete UNITY with God.

In that Angel-Land there were also beings whom today we call Archangels. And we call them this because they THEMSELVES regarded themselves as beings who were better and wiser because they were the first, before the other little angels. How long they were the first, I find difficult to say. When other angels appeared, those first ones, instead of concentrating on unity with God, began behaving like foolish children jealous of the Father’s favor. They also felt obliged (I have no idea on what basis) to lead those newcomers and instruct them how the angelic world was supposed to function. A world in which there was increasingly less room for God, and increasingly more admiration for those first ones, meaning the Archangels. Those Archangels were the result of their own creation based on separating themselves from God, though not visibly enough for others to notice. In order to conceal the fact that they were actually separated from God, they used ingenious methods of manipulation, mainly intended to convince the other little angels that those Archangels were more important in God’s eyes and closer to Him (after all, they were first!). Those Archangels developed the ability to manipulate very strongly on the mental and astral levels. Their concentrated telepathic pressure was capable of reprogramming many a mind. In addition, they saw themselves (perhaps only in their imagination) as larger and more powerful than the other little angels (although I cannot recall such greatness in any way, because I saw them as equal to themselves and to the other little angels). They wanted to be important and became someone exceptional to some. They created the white astral realm already in Angel-Land and destroyed everything that might bring the other little angels closer to God (including breaking up “halves” in order to prevent resonance). They simply bossed everyone around there and demanded to be regarded as especially distinguished by God.

When many little angels fell, so that the Archangels began to lack crowds of admirers, the Archangels “sacrificed themselves” and descended into the physical world (not necessarily Earth) with a mission to restore the fallen ones to Angel-Land. Here they most often took on the role of Avatars or Men of God — Saviors. Here they continued breaking up relationships for the supposed good of the fallen ones and to persuade them to engage in spiritual development (returning to God). And this continues to this day. When they transmit “divine truth,” in reality they replay, like an old indestructible record, THE SAME program with which they appeared here. They exert pressure to develop, become enlightened, hate this world, despise the fallen and unenlightened, become discouraged from eating (from matter in general), but they themselves have no intention of returning to God or becoming enlightened. And unfortunately they also transmit this telepathically (though completely unconsciously) to their disciples and admirers. Hence among the disciples of Great Masters there are so few who actually have an intention to become enlightened. Most connect telepathically to “divine teachers” and take over from them a mixture of enlightenment neurosis and reluctance to truly surrender to God.

I certainly have not written everything here, but I think this is enough for now.

2008-05-31 17:04 jacek now (m)

Well, I have now completely freed myself from Metatron’s mafia.

In my opinion these are manipulations of the causal body. If it seems that something is on the astral body, then either it only seems so, or these are merely consequences of the actual manipulations on the causal body manifesting on the lower bodies, including the astral one.

So I made myself a summary —

I have experienced manipulations at the level of all 3 selves:

First Self (“Alpha,” personality) — astral manipulations, mental manipulations

Second Self (“Beta,” soul) — causal manipulations of Metatron’s mafia

Third Self (“Delta,” spirit, higher self) — manipulations of K-symbionts at the level of intentions

And now I made myself a table “across”

Aspect of Mind — mental manipulations, causal manipulations

Aspect of Heart — astral manipulations, K-symbiont manipulations

Aspect of Will — …. and here nothing … neither on the vital body, nor on the atmic one, nor higher??

The Aspect of Mind has always been (in the present incarnation) my strongest side.

The Aspect of Will — this was the weakest side. And there are no manipulation burdens here?

Or perhaps — the thought came to me with horror, but also with hope — this is precisely where I am subject to the strongest and most difficult-to-detect manipulations?

Something tells me that this is exactly the case… “Delta” (Third Self), Aspect of Will, very strong manipulations…

I am already working on it; I will write about Metatron later.

2008-05-31 11:46 Bhupati (m)

—> this is the essence of the subject, as far as I am concerned,

Satan was described as the one who REFUSED to bow down to Adam, meaning that he treated it precisely in this way, as authority that was self-exaltation, pride and dualism,

and from this it follows that other angels and archangels perform their task, meaning that as rays of Divinity they are not distorted and raise a human being toward the Source, because: “Are they not all ministering spirits sent to serve those who are to inherit salvation?” meaning TO SERVE : )

an archangel is one who is at the Source, meaning he embodies emanating pure selfless love, radiance and goodness that liberates a human being… and God is the Highest; these are all descriptions of stages through which the Soul passes, ever higher vibrations, levels of emanation of God’s pure, creative Love, and not structures of enslavement… because such thinking is the thinking of a slave who seeks liberation through rebellion, shifts responsibility for his entanglement onto someone else, calls upon God but in his pride rejects His help…. and not of a human being whom God created in His own image and who accepts His guidance; can one reach Him while rejecting His emanations and rays that He sends? in this way one rather falls : )

“Metatron. I am connected with the Source of all goodness, love and creativity,” meaning in other words God of creative, creative Love in His manifestation….

thank you for this discussion, it is very helpful to me : )

2008-05-31 11:36 verowa (f)

slawek, we got quite a synchronization here

yes, I know that it is about enslavement. I came across your prayer only after my personal adventures with archangels, so it was a nice summary of what had been happening. my soul already knows that all of this is foolishness and has now seen with its own eyes that archangels do not have power above God, and above all that they DO NOT LEAD TO GOD AT ALL. that last discovery shook me. freeing the soul from the need for slavery is very, very important because enslavement of the soul has a significant influence on life here. all passivity, powerlessness, inability to create, low self-esteem and doubting one’s own strength come from the enslavement of the soul. now I understand it.

2008-05-31 11:29 UlotnyDym (m)

Already this morning I printed out this prayer for myself (thanks Verowa)! When I finish, I will go out into the sunshine and….

P.S.

Bhupati, you too, Brutus. I interpret it this way: Meta is good, and Thaumiel is no good — whatever — all shit! I do not want anything or anyone before God.

2008-05-31 11:26 Sławomir Majda (m)

Verova. What matters is not who, but what. It is about slavery. The enslavement of one Soul to another Soul. I enslave someone — someone enslaves me. One must leave this circle through forgiveness and prayer.

I wrote a prayer about Slavery that resolves many matters at the same time. readarticle.php?article_i…

Forgiveness for the Soul because it enslaved others, and forgiveness for those who once imprisoned the Soul and its subsequent earthly descents.

In order to free oneself from this, divine support is needed. Metatron, Gabriel, Michael and whoever else among them are angels at most from the group of “angels of the throne.” If we look downward through the angelic hierarchy, they can interfere with all lesser angels and other “ethnic” groups. It was similar with Belial. Ra and his 11 gods were also — at most — those “from the throne.” Ra was a disciple of Krishna back in the times of Atlantis. If Leszek’s Soul today, as Dym writes, does not want to leave matter, then it looks for a support group that will help it even in the distant future.

As karmic effects, there always appears a mechanism of secondary enslavement toward those whom we ourselves once enslaved. I got caught in this way as a slave to a woman and her Soul, which trusted me without limits and enslaved me at my own request, carrying out the will of my Soul. After years of prayer it resolved beautifully.

Bhupati once surprised me — why on earth did he paste some absurd post. Now I thank you for drawing my attention to yourself and to your problems resulting also from the activity of my own Soul.

2. I also recommend this subject for individual reflection. I believe this is the most important prayer I have written so far, including all the prayers of my Soul from the past.

readarticle.php?article_i…

It begins like this:

“I embody within myself and within my own immortal Soul the presence of God’s creative force of Love, therefore it is understandable that I express through myself all positive divine energies, divine vibrations, such as Divine Love, God’s joy of existence, Divine light, Divine health, Divine abundance. I embody within myself and within my own immortal Soul the presence of God’s creative force of Love, being free from intentions, habits and needs to pay homage, bow down to people, various living gods, astral gods, spirits, Belial and other beings. I embody within myself and within my own immortal Soul the presence of God’s creative force of Love, so how could I inflate my own ego, praise myself.”

Accepting the results of this prayer may bring an understanding that Archangels and other astral tricksters in reality have no access to me or to my Soul.

3. A prayer by several people for God’s judgment upon those “archangels,” which I have already written about, and they will quickly become history.
4. By what right did someone imagine that he is above me as an Angel, meaning that he is an “ARCHI”-angel — better than me. Well, think about this self-designation of theirs too. Does it not annoy you?

2008-05-31 11:21 verowa (f)

ulotny, when you finish, share it. what you wrote is good. if you change the form into the past tense, then it will be completely fine.

for this subject I also recommend slawek’s prayer about liberation from slavery http://modlitwa.wir.cal.pl/readarticle.php?article_id=111

when I read it, that was when things really started coming out for me in this subject

2008-05-31 11:16 Bhupati (m)

I must say that the subject of Metatron interested me : )

so I read a little and learned that Metatron is connected with Kether (Crown), unity

—> a reaction AT THIS LEVEL connected with rejection is rather a reaction connected with the shadow of Kether — with Thaumiel (Unjust Ruler) and the reaction of its ruler, recreating and adopting his way of perception and all the consequences connected with this division…

an interesting legend:

“The ruler of Thaumiel is Satan. Satan in legend was the chief of the angels, holding a position similar to that of Kether. According to Islamic legend, after God created man, Satan and his angels refused to bow down before Adam. Ralph Austin describes that in the thought of the Islamic mystic, Ibn Arabi, the diabolical principle is that ‘which resists the Self-Realizing urge to create the own-other object (creation) and insists in the sole right of pure spirit and transcendence, this being the reason for Satan’s refusal to obey God’s command to prostrate himself to Adam, from jealousy for the integrity of pure spirit.’”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaumiel

rebellion caused by jealousy,

or as a reaction to an incorrect perception of this level (Kether–Thaumiel), rebellion caused by fear of enslavement, loss of position, exploitation … pride

the name “Thaumiel (Unjust Ruler)” comes from here:

http://www.gnosis.art.pl/e_gnosis/paradygmat_wyobrazni/kasperski…

2008-05-31 11:02 UlotnyDym (m)

That is how it came out because I was writing it down live (now), things kept coming down to me, coming down, I wrote everything I thought, how I felt, I learned about many new things, only enormous hunger finally knocked me out of this state of writing things down, now I am continuing, but already writing it in Word and learning new things! It is like a conversation between two beings…

2008-05-31 10:59 verowa (f)

slawek is right, this has to be changed into the past tense

for help it is worth calling upon your higher self, one way or another. and of course turning to God for help and love, because only this energy can overcome the blockages of highly developed beings (and therefore beings possessing powers).

2008-05-31 10:52 Sławomir Majda (m)

Ulotny — you messed up a little. Write it so that it was like this, but only once in the past, that you no longer have it, rather than affirming to yourself that Metatron has you in his grasp

2008-05-31 10:45 UlotnyDym (m)

Liberation! Grrr

It dawned on me now because I thought that I had “gone through a nighttime liberation session,” but that is not how it is, not in this case, no session, no requests will help, no formulas! I was prepared to look “fear — the archangel” in the eyes! Now it is the second day, a time of trial, thoughts, struggle toward freedom. I already wanted to give up, just give me back my contact with Superconsciousness (I felt its absence), the squeezing irritated me (seventh chakra), I lacked help, I felt alone! Now I know that I internally (not externally) have to rid myself of this dependence! I was counting on something from outside, which is why I am blocked, but the structure of the Soul cannot be violated; the chakras and external layers of manifestation can be blocked — God is within us, not outside!

P.S.

Verowa, I know that she gave up, but I never give up! I feel the crown chakra, and very strongly!

My prayer

I forgive you, Metatron, and all your servants. I forgive you for attacking my third eye at this very moment, for blocking the seventh chakra. I forgive you for confusing my Soul, maintaining a constant whisper, prompting me, wanting me to give up. I forgive you for this. I forgive myself for having until now allowed other beings to fulfill the role of father, mother, teacher or God. I know that you attack me all the more fiercely because I will describe this situation in my book, that it will be translated into a dozen or so languages (even Chinese and Hebrew). I know that you cannot allow yourself to lose me from your ranks. My Soul has matured, we have forgiven ourselves, you can change, you can surrender to the will of God the Creator — Creator of Creators; it is easy, pleasant, God forgives everyone and everything. I have been received into the arms of God. He is my guide, guardian, teacher. He Knows best what is proper, effective and useful for all Souls.

I know that you would release me if only I promised that this matter would not go beyond the ranks of this forum — you continue to manipulate, you continue to enslave. Leave the matter in God’s hands. If people pray to you, let them continue doing so, but I will never again bow down to you or to beings like you, because I will never raise my hand against any creature, never draw a sword, never even fall into anger or provocations; I am guided only by God’s love. My karma is nearing completion, my Soul understands that there is only one Creator — Creator of Creators. I hid my wings at your command because I believed that this was what had to be done; I gave away my powers, my independence, my experience, my knowledge. God forgave me these mistakes, I myself forgave myself my mistakes, I am an independent divine being and I have fully regained all my powers. You can keep them in a cage and drop them into the deepest hole, set up guards and try to restrict me. God the Creator — Creator of Creators, whom you no longer remember, to whom you stand with your back turned, has rebuilt all my power, the entire structure of my true form. Thanks to Him I can manifest happily and blissfully as a human being and as a spiritual being. The Universe and all densities are safe, pleasant and friendly to me. From this moment I stop focusing on you, looking at your achievements and God’s permissions; it was you who chose such existence and manifestation. I give back all armor, swords, seals, powers that you gave me, which I used; put them in the cupboard. God and I are one, and my existence takes on a new, free dimension without the participation of intermediaries, demigods, gods, gurus or other beings known and unknown to me. God expresses Himself through freedom of action and thought, so I choose God within me; let Him act through freedom, independence, simplicity, wisdom that is within Him. Soul, it is simple for you to trust and completely entrust yourself to God the Creator — Creator of Creators. It is simple and easy because by trusting God and His power we will regain our lost attributes of divinity that we entrusted to someone else — I thank You with all my heart, with every part of my Soul, that at this very moment You are restoring to me what You endowed me with at creation, O great God, Creator — Creator of Creators. Thank You that I am worthy of You, God, that You are pleased with my actions and my desire to surrender to Your will. I also thank You for the lesson You gave me through Your other archangels, angels, spiritual beings and physical beings who impersonated You, fulfilled the role of intermediaries. Thanks to this I became a new spiritual being, a new physical being. My new intentions are clear and precise: everything for You, God, Creator — Creator of Creators. I have now learned how an enslaved being feels, which is why You gave me and all beings freedom, freedom of choice, freedom of action, freedom of thought. I know that I owe You nothing, God, I do not have to give anything back, nor make offerings or reports because You always were and always will be. Thank You for my presence in Your divine work of creation.

2008-05-31 10:39 verowa (f)

as soon as I read this thread, my little heart starts squealing. I hope, however, that we already have this problem behind us.

jacek, it seems to me that you have something on your heart. dym, swollen crown and heart chakras, in a cocoon, closed and separated from the whole.

check the chakras on the subtle bodies very carefully. in my case the traps were placed on the very edges of the chakras, very subtly. there is an illusion of functioning because the center is clean and probably, if my Soul had not completely closed the heart, I would not have felt it at all, or at least not for a long time. only the aching heart drew my attention to the other chakras, and I was so unconscious that I did not even think on my own to check the third eye, and that was exactly where the little cord to one of them began; I do not know the name.

it works strongly enough that every person who frees themselves becomes a pretext for an attack on me (if I speak up on this subject). it is worth remaining vigilant. the hardest thing is to convince the Soul not to submit to them. it makes no difference that I do not want something if the Soul gives in. in your case, dym, it is similar too, the Soul surrendered. look at what is happening with the crown; that bastard placed a golden crown on my chakra and promised rule and power. and although the Soul was sad and did not want it, it accepted it because it felt inferior to the Archangels.

this morning my son and I were cleansing ourselves. he asked whether God listens to us at all. I asked him to free himself from false beliefs about God, and it turned out that the Soul worships the sun-god. while freeing himself, his solar plexus began to hurt, then his Soul pulled a mass of hooks and threads and little statues of gods out of the solar plexus, and afterward we talked about the divine light of love and he himself said that this light cannot be white because white belongs to Gabriel. just in case, I did not bring up the subject of Archangels with him.

2008-05-31 09:51 UlotnyDym (m)

I had to analyze myself in order to gain better insight into the situation!

1. Causal body

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1240/cialoprzyczynoweee6.jpg

2. Physical body and higher astral body, lower mental body

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3318/cialofizyczneimentalnejw1….

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Causal body — it has enormous potential, but it has “swollen” at the most important chakras: the fifth, sixth and seventh! A chakra tilted to the left indicates wrong thinking, a chakra tilted to the right indicates wrong action. A chakra in a horizontal position is a complete “failure.” If one looks closely, something must have happened to the upper chakras, judging only by the others! This is present on all subtle bodies!

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Physical body — the chakras are large, but I am skipping the second one (sexual). I am looking only at the chakras directed to the left: namely the second, third and fifth — wrong thinking in: speaking and acting. The seventh chakra is completely switched off (blocked).

Higher astral body — lower mental body — I am interested only in chakras directed to the left — the second, fourth, fifth and sixth. The chakras respectively indicate wrong thinking in acting and speaking. The seventh chakra is barely functioning at all (it is completely surrendered).

Chakras directed to the left indicate wrong thinking, which later causes wrong action (a chakra directed to the right). I always had the upper three chakras as the largest ones (never as large as the solar plexus, but in size immediately after it)!

The line of will is as shown in the picture — astral possession in all its glory. Previous lives 15%, influence of other beings 25–85%. Strong will to free myself, but powerful activity of astral or higher beings! Percentage of unification of the selves 45%/100 (previously 95–100%)!

P.S.

As of today this is mission impossible, but the more fiercely someone attacks me, the more I will pray. No one is going to tamper with me — NEVER! With the seventh chakra switched off (contact with Divinity), it is easy to lead an individual into wrong thinking, submission to an idea, pressure (tilting to the left).

2008-05-31 08:14 Bhupati (m)

I found a passage about Metatron and it looks as though the discussion taking place here is indeed occurring within the energies of this Archangel:

“Metatron.

I am connected with the Source of all goodness, love and creativity. (…)

His heavenly function consists of recording all our deeds in the Book of Life.”

—> perhaps this is where, as a reaction, the atmosphere of rebellion and anarchy comes from (interesting that this word is a kind of reversal of archani…); the subject of karma is strongly connected with this Archangel, struggle against enslavement ; )

“Metatron makes it possible to maintain well-defined boundaries and clear perception, so necessary if our potential is to reach fulfillment within the limits of the world of form.”

— it is good to clearly see what one creates oneself and take responsibility for it

“He can also help us when we have put a great deal of effort into something and are struggling very hard with some activity, whatever it may be: trying to create friendly relationships at work, losing weight, or giving up an addictive or harmful habit — an addiction, giving our all in teamwork with others.”

this passage also fits nicely here, especially when someone loses themselves in what they do in relationships with others and habitually repeats the same mistakes : )

“We can pray to Archangel Metatron to guide our efforts and help us find the proper measure for our output and activity. We can ask Metatron in our meditation to help us recognize in domestic situations when ‘enough’ really means ‘enough,’ and when we need to do more for ourselves or for others.”

a nice quality of moderation; in connection with this statement I was reminded of the destroyer of the demons Madhu and Khaitabha (Too Much and Too Little), meaning the Divine Mother Kali : )

the whole thing is here:

http://prosperita.terramail.pl/archaniolowie.html

2008-05-31 07:54 UlotnyDym (m)

If one looks closely at this topic, on the one hand it is useful and important, and on the other it is hated and stigmatized. Recently I looked at topics where Jacek Now, UlotnyDym, Verowa wrote — MariuszERO and Danusia would always jump in within three words — of course the posts were completely off-topic, with a strong mission of “conversion” and “ridicule.”

Jacek Now — I think you had the least of it because in your case it concerned some way of thinking and your research (I think two different studies).

Unfortunately I do not feel very well. Something keeps pressing on my seventh chakra all the time (as though I had several kilograms sitting there)! Now I know why I have such strong perception of the etheric and astral bodies. When I descended there was some agreement that I would not “see,” but would choose “experience through feeling.” Verowa, take a look at my Soul..

P.S.

On another forum there is a certain person who wrote: “I once had it this way, that I was afraid even to think something about Metatron and immediately apologized.”

Another person close to me wrote after reading my session:

“I am reading your message once again. The last time I looked at it from a completely different perspective and felt anger toward you — strange. I am looking at this feeling, where it came from. I felt a little like… the mother of an unruly brat who constantly requires attention, is constantly warned, protected… I felt such anger and sadness within myself, as though I had to allow this unruly child to suffer a very painful fall, but a necessary one… I do not understand these feelings in connection with you. And I do not understand my role. And yet your fate is somehow not indifferent to me..”

P.S.S.

This is how I feel: why did you free yourself, why did you try, why are you trying, why are you fighting….

2008-05-31 03:50 edea (f)

Jacek: freedom is something I resonate with, and there may indeed be something connected with angels or arch-. Perhaps I know too little about it, but I know that one can become dependent on anything and anyone. My heart is certainly more on the side of light than grayness because it is more pleasant here :). And what was most pleasant for me was finding my true self, without angelic wings, as a being from the time when I began to exist as a separate consciousness. Is being an angel or cooperating with them perhaps simply the same kind of experience on the path to the Source as any other?

I would gladly listen to what you have to say about my path, especially in the context of this thread, but not only. As for Sławek, I think the point where we currently are differs quite considerably.

2008-05-31 00:52 jacek now (m)

Verowa,

However, I did not free myself completely from those manipulations, only roughly halfway.

It was going very well for me, but as it turns out, at some point I lost contact with reality and had already begun imagining how I would boast about this success on the forum…

But afterward I did not feel entirely well, at times my mood worsened, I had some kind of heart palpitations — I blamed it on lying in the sun for too long. When I read your post, I realized that something was still wrong. But the “holy thugs” are probably not counterattacking; I think this is merely the effect of incomplete liberation.

Edea,

If your path aligns with those who developed this thread, then it is good that you are here. (The same remark applies to other people who look in here as well.) If you want me to say something about your path, how I see it, I will gladly do so. For now I have a remark similar to one I recently made to Sławek: You began your present incarnation as a monad much more mature than the other people posting here. Therefore, naturally, you have a different perspective on the present incarnation than the rest of the people.

2008-05-30 21:58 verowa (f)

jacek, write what came out for you. and perhaps observe the process; this group, with metatron at its head, guards its flock very closely, so they will probably still fight for your Soul. observe especially the heart, the solar plexus and of course the third eye.

2008-05-30 21:55 verowa (f)

s.majda, what else do you know about this subject? please write

and how does this group of angels relate to the astral groups of the so-called white astral realm and the Atlantean astral realm?

that they are working on restoring Atlantean energy is clearly evident from their channelings. elsewhere mojrzesz suggested that they are connected rather with the white astral realm. what knowledge do you have about this?

2008-05-30 20:59 MariuszEro (m)

Danusia:

I manifest wisdom.

I understand the mechanisms, I clearly feel what is happening in such situations. My self-observation so far has taught me a great deal.

:))

You can keep it until tomorrow.. some people prefer to hold onto it for half their lives ;P

Then supposedly they have motivation when they do not feel like doing anything, including living.

I think there is one more reason why this thread may somehow irritate you. But that is what I think.

You yourself know better, or you will know, what it is like.

2008-05-30 20:46 Danusia (f)

MariuszEro

how did you know it was about rebellion? 🙂 I am rebelling only until tomorrow 🙂

2008-05-30 20:36 edea (f)

I am right and I am not right you are a little right ;p because yes, it is worth saying “no” with complete conviction within yourself, but true freedom comes only from within. A free person no longer has to free themselves from anything. Often, although not always, after liberation from one thing another executioner or ruler appears, another addiction? Yes, liberation, if it costs a great deal of determination and energy invested in the process, may initiate the cleansing of the pattern of dependency, but it does not necessarily lead to inner freedom.

2008-05-30 20:21 MariuszEro (m)

Danusia:

It does not really open up for me in any special way.

I simply accept that others have intentions different from spiritual development.

It is a waste of my life trying to convert the blind

I prefer to deal with those who have ears, have eyes, and have not eaten all their minds, and who at least, for their own good, allow for other possibilities, verify views and beliefs, observe effects, take opinions into account.

And to deal with them in the sense of inspiring them.

Well, it can be seen clearly: some have the intention of remaining in old habits. Arguments are useless.

Only experiences on their own backsides answer them properly — in a way they can accept.

Then the rebellion disappears.

And what appears is: “why did I not see this earlier?”

2008-05-30 20:15 Sławomir Majda (m)

Verova. This group of Archangels has not been operating here since the dawn of time. It is at most around 40,000 years. Earlier someone operated who cleaned up the energies of the astral realm somewhat, but at the same time taught others skills they did not need.

2008-05-30 19:53 Danusia (f)

Mariusz Ero

I recently wrote to While that there are subjects at which my knife still opens in my pocket. This is precisely such a subject, because how can one conduct demagoguery on a portal and call it Development simply because nobody corrects it? And when someone tries to correct it, I read posts “from love” like verowa’s one below… Eh…

2008-05-30 19:44 MariuszEro (m)

I almost admire you, Danusia, that you still feel like doing this. Apparently you have some interest in it 😉

2008-05-30 19:33 jacek now (m)

Hurrah! I have just returned from the forest.

I freed myself from Metatron’s manipulations.

Edea.

you are right and you are not right

2008-05-30 17:50 verowa (f)

danusia, you cannot let go and you are simply aggressive. what you write is becoming increasingly distasteful, and above all it has nothing to do with the subject.

lukasz, rightly so, you are repelled by them, stay as far away from this company as possible

edea. you are right and you are not right. true lessons are contained everywhere, throughout our whole life, in every choice we make. our choices are the lessons. but choices depend to a large extent on what we are and whether we are enslaved. the effort of liberation is sometimes greater, sometimes ridiculously light and easy. it is simply a relative magnitude.

2008-05-30 17:41 edea (f)

Sometimes I have the impression that the real lessons are somewhere beside this effort of liberation, that this is about something within us, about what is happening around us, how we deal with it, etc.

2008-05-30 17:32 Danusia (f)

jacek now

I would not care, just as I do not care about your post. Back then you were “learning” from me, so show a little respect in your tone instead of using the imperative. I will not even mention the epithets.

2008-05-30 15:52 jacek now (m)

Danusia,

Be quiet at last, troublemaker. You completely do not understand what this is about.

And what if they interfered with you when you were writing about BA21, or mocked you?

Łukasz,

And it is absolutely right that these archangels repel you. That is exactly what this thread is about — freeing oneself from these archangelic manipulations, because these are insidious manipulations, not some divine wisdom.

From what I perceive, they have gotten to you a little as well; I think you have the same thing I do.

2008-05-30 15:32 Danusia (f)

Łukasz83

shh, or you will be accused of causing confusion and not understanding your own Soul

2008-05-30 14:47 Łukasz 83 (m)

and I am repelled by angels and archangels. in my feeling it is some rather unreliable Source, just like bodhisattvas and that entire astral realm connected with it. all of it looks extremely suspicious, bleeee……..

2008-05-30 14:42 verowa (f)

I am reposting this from the thread about freeing oneself from astral and mental manipulations:

2008-05-30 14:37 verowa (f)

ulotny, experiences very similar to mine. I also think these are among the heaviest burdens. the Archangels seem to have harnessed the Soul into service immediately after separation, convincing it of their closeness to God, of the only possible contact with God being through them. I believe they stand at the origin of many, if not all, problems with God/the Source. they very carefully make sure that the Soul does not manage to return to true love and God. it seems to me that they stand behind all astral traps and networks, including the white astral realm and the Atlantean astral realm. they certainly operate as a group and influence an enormous part of humanity, if not everyone. it resembles being connected to the Matrix. the subject is deep and difficult; I encourage investigating it. liberation is difficult; as I already wrote, I almost died from the physical pain in my heart, but it is worth the effort. once the Soul sees what all of this is really about, it sees what everything was built upon and begins to believe more strongly in itself and in its own possibilities.

2008-05-30 13:43 UlotnyDym (m)

Today since morning I have been in total silence, surrounded by nature. And the back of my neck, the highest place, the throat chakra — light touches, the third-eye chakra since morning, and now when there was a brief break, the back of the third eye. Then for the past hour my head has been hurting and I felt this kind of brushing, and now it has already turned into pressing on the seventh chakra — I have never had headaches. I feel not very dynamic or “sharp,” pardon the expression, as though I were behind some kind of wall. I am calm, but dazed…

P.S.

This exceeds every possible limit — probably the greatest burden one can remove (in my case, certainly some other “archangels” or “demigods” have joined in too. I can barely feel my head. I have already learned, when I saw the golden cage (with those little circles), to tell the Soul not to defend itself because every emotion, anger causes defeat — only love and only God. For now this is turning into some kind of comedy.

2008-05-30 11:20 verowa (f)

ulotny, how familiar these emotions are to me!

although my scenario was different, the emotions, experiences, sensations were exactly the same. that damned metatron is an old hand, perfectly practiced in his battles. check whether he has not convinced your Soul to take him back in, as happened with me. a protective sphere from God is the only thing that works on those bastards, but in my case that bastard stood there and for 3 days kept loading something into the third eye until he placed codes on all her chakras, the Soul surrendered, acknowledged him, sealed the heart shut, and for the next three days I thought I would die of a heart attack. but what is God for

2008-05-30 09:08 UlotnyDym (m)

Of course around seven o’clock, meaning right after writing the post in the topic about “archangels,” something started drilling a hole in my third eye! Whenever I free myself I get this instruction: “do not post this on the forum”… well.

2008-05-30 09:06 UlotnyDym (m)

My own liberation

I wake up; everything probably happened during a shallow OBE. I look around the room and see an archangel (first association). Oh my God, I cannot look at him. I avert my eyes, something tells me (look, stare at him, fight), I am afraid. The Archangel starts saying something to me, and I submit very easily, all the while being afraid for myself. I quickly return to the body, suddenly something shouts: “Never give up, why are you running away” [it should be remembered that my body was asleep while I had active consciousness — I call this state “dreaming theta”]. Metatron appears again, says something to me: “decline this word, repeat His name.” I look downward in fear, but the Spirit (superconsciousness) pulls me toward confrontation. I quickly call my spiritual guardian to the left side, in the middle myself from the future and on the right my superconsciousness; I think I am ready. Madness begins. Very cleverly, intelligently, Metatron convinces me of his arguments, and I run away from him, but where? All I have left is God the Creator — Creator of Creators. The more I try to move away from this Archangel, the farther I am from God? What kind of madness is this? He laughs mockingly and says that resistance is pointless. I force my Soul: go, speak to God, ask and apologize — the Soul has enormous resistance (it says itself that there is no chance), so the Spirit presses and shouts, my consciousness declaims — everything that can shout is shouting toward God. Metatron comes closer and closer, he almost has me intellectually and emotionally, I am one huge bundle of fear. The more I try to look at this angel, the more afraid I become. I feel my heart chakra being torn apart (I felt tearing in the upper part). Some time passes and I give up; I cannot manage, I have nowhere to get help from, I have lost. I breathe very heavily and put my consciousness to sleep.

Part two: I land in some strange place, there are three women (one is from this forum. Light hair and quite a large necklace on her chest). Questions come from Earth and in this place they are somehow answered (something like a tele-line). And someone asks the question: “How do I free myself from this Archangel?” — I am already getting ready to answer when that woman beats me to it. I approach and listen to her explanation: “I got rid of all my powers, I fought hard, but I managed,” but the person who asked the question said clearly, “I am asking for an answer from this individual [mentioning me by first and last name].” I answered something, but I myself do not remember what. Suddenly a little Soul flies up to the three women and asks whether, if she is about to incarnate on Earth, it would be worthwhile for her to “take as a husband” the previous man, the “previous Soul.” I quickly shout, “tell her about tripersonality on Earth.” The women fell silent and I explained to the Soul that a Soul is a Soul, but the personality that the husband may now take on can be very different (completely different from before). If you have the strength, you can try to search for his former traits, but I suggest you find someone new. The women were very “angry,” and I return to “dreaming theta.” The guardian says: try once again, you can do it.

I see Metatron again. He continues this beautiful dialogue. I do not look at his face because I am very afraid. I declaim like a mantra: “God, I entrust myself to You, God, receive me into Yourself, God, I made a mistake before.” Still nothing. I no longer have the strength to resist this “creation.” I keep repeating “I will never give up,” “I give myself to God the Creator — Creator of Creators,” and suddenly it is as though a sphere swallows me. There is silence, peace. There is no satisfaction. After a moment something prompts me: look at Metatron. I slowly, slowly look upward and see his face, I see his entire being. I feel no fear, I feel that it is ridiculous. I leave this “divine sphere” and shout to my Soul: we have been accepted, God has forgiven us, God has forgiven us, Soul, look, now we will return easily, we have somewhere to return to. Metatron still tried various tricks like: “you gave yourself to me, not to God. You see nothing, you felt nothing, you cannot be sure that it was God, you are mine, now I have maximum connection with you.”

A few days earlier I was asking questions of the “Soul” or “myself.” Do you want to leave Earth? Do you want to leave matter? Unfortunately there were no positive answers. When the vibrations approached OBE, the Soul refused; sometimes I forced Her with the Spirit (mind), but it was not the same. Today after all of this, I fall asleep very tired (around 4 in the morning). A few minutes later I get very strong vibrations (I think Metatron wants to entangle me), when will this “whole show” end! Soul, why do you surrender yourself so much, enough of this, we are not a little boy, ENOUGH, DO YOU UNDERSTAND. I quickly take my etheric hands and remove sheets from the sixth and seventh chakras, and what happens? I breathe very quickly, quickly, quickly, I take a deep breath, after 5–10 seconds I am outside the body. I see a room (I do not know whose? A blue bed). Oh, I think to myself, I can see well, good alignment, no beings at last (before there were always some fights). I wonder whether to burn a hole (meaning get rid of this mental projection) and see what the park (astral) looks like or whether we are going somewhere. Yes, we are moving, that is a good idea. I close myself within myself and imagine the face of a person (a woman) to whom I wanted to fly. Suddenly something jerks me, the sensation of astral currents is indescribable, I fly and fly, probably 10–15 seconds pass and I am still flying. During those few seconds one must remember that there a dozen seconds feels like eternity (impatience), which caused me to be knocked out. I imagine the face again and fly onward. Unfortunately something knocks me off course, I get something like a gust and return to the body.

My Soul, how eagerly you rush forward — thank you.

P.S.

I described it as best I could, but I simply do not remember many things. Everything happened quickly, the battle was intellectual-emotional, and presenting everything “especially the dialogue” is impossible for me. Even if “Metatron” in my case embodies something completely different, all of this fulfilled its role.

2008-05-30 14:26 verowa (f)

danusia, did you read what I wrote afterward? and did you read what the aftermath and consequences were? and did you wonder where the topic “karma with archangels” came from? please, just stop interfering and causing confusion, that is the only thing I ask of you. I am not asking you questions about your Soul and connections with Archangels, therefore please do not reply. and there will be peace for you and for me and for others interested in the subject.

2008-05-30 13:51 jacek now (m)

UlotnyDym,

< 2008-05-30 06:15 UlotnyDym (m)

I saw Jacek doing something on Metatron’s orders (still), >

Thanks for the information, I will do something about it immediately.

And I thought I had nothing to do with that plague…

2008-05-30 13:26 Danusia (f)

verowa

I will repeat once again — Everything on topic 🙂

2008-05-30 13:24 Danusia (f)

I read several channelings from Archangel Michael. I must admit I liked them quite a lot. They were pleasant and written with a great deal of love. There was, however, one element in them that worried me

do you recognize this? then first take responsibility for what you write, and only afterward stick your labels on?

2008-05-30 12:57 verowa (f)

exactly. and that is where the whole problem lies.

where do you see any of us speaking positively about channelings??

do you have some kind of blinders over your eyes that make you see everything through the prism of your own beliefs. you did not bother to read what we are writing, but you already know that we believe channelings? or is it only because we talk about Archangels? perhaps look a little deeper into what we are saying, and then stick your labels on?

2008-05-30 12:25 Danusia (f)

verowa

am I not supposed to feel resentment that someone projects something onto me and accuses me? okay, I do not

2008-05-24 13:43 verowa (f)

danusia, you like to fly around and pin labels on people, but let it be

and anyway it is not important to me what you understood from my statements; what matters is what I understood from yours. greetings

I would also still gladly hear more about Archangels, no matter in which thread

2008-05-24 13:32 UlotnyDym (m)

The topic about the Soul is here: http://cudownyportal.pl/forum/watek.php?id=2046

Personally, I would like to read here about the “imperfection of the causal realm,” meaning left- and right-hand Archangels!

2008-05-24 13:26 Danusia (f)

verowa

now I know why we do not understand each other — what you call the Soul is the subconscious, only the subconscious can have patterns. That is why this passage made me laugh.

“you turn your own Soul into some underdeveloped, little being and although you really do cleanse it of karmic burdens, you do not allow it to grow naturally. a well-developed, beautiful Soul does not look or behave like a child. it is simply an adult. and after all your Soul is not a youngster, you unnecessarily keep it in this state. if you allow it to exist also in another form, it will quickly manifest itself fully. but this way you summon to yourself only one part of some former and probably rather insignificant personality of hers, thereby blocking both yourself and her.”

A subconscious cleansed of patterns actually becomes smaller, it also manifests as a child, because the way it is raised depends on the middle self. I do not know what you mean when you speak about the Soul — a month ago I had a treatment with a Friend whom I trust. He guided me to seeing my own Soul — it was me, looking just as I do, only more golden, luminous, I cannot name it for you, but the Soul even had moles and freckles. My moles and my freckles 🙂

I think you generalize a great deal, that it seems to you that because you admit to working with the Soul, everyone else has poor results in this. That is not so. Everyone chooses which part of themselves they want to work with. And such choices are simply respected.

2008-05-24 13:03 verowa (f)

andrzej, nicely written.

could you once again remind us, or write, how you divide a being (us as a whole)? you say that the middle self is the personality, so what is the lower self and what is the higher self?

and please explain what the subconscious is about, because I do not understand it. I have a Soul and I see its patterns, burdens, and I work with her, with the Soul, in freeing ourselves from these patterns. so where is the subconscious and what does it do? either it does not exist (in the sense that it is simply unconsciousness of patterns, low self-awareness, meaning a poorly developed part of the mind responsible for distinguishing and associating facts, meaning understanding), or I have overlooked something important.

my experience with Archangels confirms what you wrote. for two whole days my heart was completely closed as a result of Archangelic manipulations that had been placed very subtly on the chakras in my astral body. I almost died from sadness, but what is God for? all the blockages exploded as a result of the energy of love with which He pumped me up, and finally something got through to my Soul and I think she has now freed herself from them forever

2008-05-24 12:42 UlotnyDym (m)

Very well written, but only a few will understand it.

When I allowed myself to get to know the Soul, I stopped believing Helena about the “perfection of the causal world.” I accept that the higher fields and subspheres have their perfections and imperfections — and that there are beings who are more perfect and less perfect, more devoted to God or devoted to themselves. A breach has appeared; now how large will it become?

2008-05-24 11:43 Andrzej K (m)

You are right, Jacek, about the level of these beings. Indeed some of them [k. guardians, Archangels] are very elevated, but also very ruthless. The level, yes, above the buddhic, atmic level. They care very little about any values (buddhic), or ideals (atmic).

However, they probably stand with their feet on their own ground, meaning anupadaka (the body of choice, decision).

In some traditions they were probably called demigods.

Do you remember the ruthlessness of the Greek gods toward humans?

Personally, I experienced powerful manipulation of the heart chakra. After a self-initiation into the Merkaba machine, supposedly overseen by Metatron. High vibrations, but powerfully manipulative. Overwhelming. My heart chakra was expanding, almost being torn apart. Of course, I could have followed the path of “oh, what a great heart I will have,” but I felt perfectly well how much it hurt me and how much such tearing apart of the heart chakra and “opening to love” would cost me. I decided that it was nice, a great experience, but I would pass. It was one of those experiences offered by crocodiles — you are great and wonderful, we will help you with that by modifying your energetic structure. So there are levels that cannot be seen, and on which one can specifically suffer in a way invisible to the eye from beings of much higher vibrations.

Further examples are Archangels worshipped in the church. How much protection is attributed to them! And how much people’s level of responsibility for their own lives is lowered…

Putting all high-vibrational beings into one gray sack is prejudice. A large portion of these beings are genuinely good and helpful, and it is worthwhile to turn to them.

This kind of wondering somewhat reminds me of an ant wondering why a human being so shamelessly exterminates and crushes it. It is roughly that kind of difference in levels.

But that does not mean that we have nothing to say about our own lives. One could even say that if we reflect on our own freedom, our own self-determination, then we operate at the anupadaka level and our subtle body grows at this level. Several people on CUD already have this body almost mature, which I personally consider to correspond roughly to 36 ERD.

We, in turn, have, I think, a very advantageous position. That is, we are beginning to realize all of this and are disentangling ourselves from these foolish relationships.

I had memories from other spiritual planets. Or perhaps it would be better to say “planets” in quotation marks.

There “God” no longer was, and it came out for me that this God on Earth is not my god, but the god of Earthlings. I passed through a number of planets, and on my own one God was my brother (that was the feeling of another person’s position in relation to me). So what — pray to a brother? what for?

As for hierarchy, it seems to be simply a designation of various levels of higher, non-incarnated beings. If someone wanted to give them attributes of divinity and pray to them submissively, then they probably had such intentions.

The astral realm is indeed a wonderful “whipping boy.” Discriminating awareness is needed to go beyond this first approximation.

“because after all it is the Soul that is supposed to learn, gain experience and knowledge, a human being is only a tool in its hand”

— this is what I wanted to write about, and I hope I did, in the article about personality and Soul.

For me the Soul is still a strange phenomenon, especially in light of collective Souls.

Generally, the Soul is for me that part of myself with which I still do not identify, do not consider myself identical, whereas after identifying with it, truly identifying (not merely declaring it), I will be able to speak about my own immortality.

Ulotny Dym, in my view you are presenting an attitude of idealization, if I understand you correctly?

[If something is above, then it is “pure.”]

Jacek, k. is not all that pure either, in the sense of purity of intentions toward other beings. He is creating bad karma for himself.

verowa

“the manipulations are extraordinarily subtle”

— this is the key to the puzzle. After all, how can higher vibrations be perceived as something threatening, unfavorable? One has to be “not quite sane,” as some people say, or… one has to be very inquisitive and give up entire systems of teachings and authorities. It really pays off.

Green and I also still have from time to time the subject of pressure from alien civilizations. That too, apart from our native ascended beings, is something to be seen. Because both operate in vibrations in which most living people do not have individualized subtle bodies.

http://cudownyportal.pl/article.php?article_id=997

That is why those beings can freely manipulate them and treat them as “prey.”

But I know that pressure from alien civilizations is a doubly crazy subject. First, that “what is higher cannot be unfavorable,” and second, that “they do not exist”… hehe…

Danusia, verowa

the subconscious is the subconscious. and the Soul is the Soul, two different things. admittedly they interpenetrate one another and share certain movements, but this takes place on different levels and is multidimensional.

Sometimes some people decide to place their Soul in the position of the subconscious. Surprisingly many people from the regression community do this, probably because the teachings say that the subconscious exists, but the Soul? — it cannot be encompassed by yang methods, so it is better not to touch the subject and rather reduce it to the role of the subconscious.

And then it turns out: who is the most important? The personality, the middle self.

http://cudownyportal.pl/article.php?article_id=1223

Which from the Soul’s perspective is perceived as limited. And most often used as a tool, a vehicle.

http://cudownyportal.pl/article.php?article_id=1214

Unfortunately, we identify ourselves with the middle self, meaning the personality. And we write affirmations for the personality, and we want to develop for the personality. At the first stages this is very okay. But being an eternal child at some point becomes childishness. Yet you cannot rush development; the development and maturity of the bodies cannot be accelerated.

http://cudownyportal.pl/article.php?article_id=996

Usually we know the process of human development and maturity from the perspective of the physical body. This process takes place over several decades. But there is also another process, extending over millennia, the process of development and maturation of subtle bodies. Spiritual insight is needed to see how great the differences are in the development and maturity of these bodies in individual people. Thus an elderly woman may have few developed and mature subtle bodies, while a young girl may begin with great potential for the development of these bodies because she already had these bodies mature in previous incarnations.

Fortunately, when freeing ourselves from manipulation by non-incarnated beings, during spiritual development we quickly gain development and maturity of the bodies and become capable of ceasing to be slavishly subject to them.

2008-05-24 09:10 verowa (f)

oh, that is interesting?

you know, when I read that you see your Soul, I was sincerely and genuinely happy. what I wrote was a fully spontaneous and kind reaction, in which there was not a trace of malice, much less any sense of superiority. I typed it and sent it, then I thought that if you did not understand the subject you would probably react negatively, but CUD does not have post editing, so it stayed that way.

what would have been malicious on my part would be to bring up now that little mirror you like so much, but what use is malice to me

then another thought came to me, that perhaps this is what this whole training of the subconscious is about. you turn your own Soul into some underdeveloped, little being and although you really do cleanse it of karmic burdens, you do not allow it to grow naturally. a well-developed, beautiful Soul does not look or behave like a child. it is simply an adult. and after all your Soul is not a youngster, you unnecessarily keep her in this state. if you allow her to exist also in another form, she will quickly manifest herself fully. but this way you summon to yourself only one part of some former and probably rather insignificant personality of hers, thereby blocking both yourself and her.

of course I am not in any way encouraging you to change your practice, because you are too attached to regression, but perhaps allow that unfortunate Ola to manifest herself somewhat differently from time to time?

2008-05-24 08:59 Lynd Seagull (m)

“because such a small Soul with such a developed personality is not enough.”

Buahaha, has the “ad animam” argument just been invented?

2008-05-24 08:31 Danusia (f)

verowa

seriously, as far as I am concerned the discussion is flat and somehow all you show in it is how developed you are… I do not feel like listening to boasting, so bye-bye

2008-05-23 23:47 verowa (f)

oh? that is nice, give her my regards and suggest that she develop, because such a small Soul with such a developed personality is not enough.

2008-05-23 11:50 Danusia (f)

verowa

her name is Ola, she is the height of a nine-year-old child or a short person, dark curly hair. I do not know what I am supposed to understand, because I have a good relationship with subconscious-Ola 🙂

2008-05-23 10:19 verowa (f)

danusia, when you start seeing the Soul, that is, sorry, the subconscious, perhaps you will begin to understand what is what…

2008-05-23 10:04 Danusia (f)

verowa

when you get into shamanism, perhaps you will begin to know what is what…

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• s_majda writes: 19/01/2010 at 13:54 (Edit) haha God’s helpers .. instead of God. 2008-05-22 19:01 MariuszEro (m) It is always some kind of excuse for the subconscious not to accept the true God within itself. One can take something .. similar .. and continue playing around on Earth, postponing the moment of enlightenment. 2008-05-22 13:42 verowa (f) amarantia, I prefer cleansing and freeing Souls rather than denying that these burdens I see on them are only a product of my imagination. if I see that she has a mess along the line connecting her with other angels, I am hardly going to wait politely until those angels do whatever they want, but will rather try to free her. that is precisely why I am asking about those Archangels, because all the religions of the world write that they are God’s helpers, and on the “Power of an Angel” portal you will also find various nonsense about how wonderful they are, while what clearly comes out for me is that they use ugly energies to manipulate other Souls. I am asking and investigating whether anyone has similar memories. I will add immediately that the manipulations are extraordinarily subtle, usually placed in the astral body and attached to chakras, but not in the center, rather at their outer edges. at least that is what I found in myself. it is simply better to examine this than to naively believe that the other side is entirely good because it is supposedly closer to God. 2008-05-22 12:02 Amarantia (f) verowa.

• I do not use regression, but Soul-seeing
• I am now asking not about Souls whose earthly karma has burned out, nor about those that have returned to the Source. I am asking about those that sit in the astral realm and manipulate Earth and its inhabitants.
• in my opinion these are precisely Angels from higher angelic hierarchies, but because I may be mistaken, I am asking about your experiences.
• the regression memories of one person may perhaps not be worth much, but convergent memories of many people already provide quite good material for understanding
• there was something else, but I have already forgotten and I am going to sleep, good night
• 2008-05-21 13:22 Danusia (f) Verowa You will find a little in the archive about Zbigniew’s methods. Sometimes Archangels appear to me in meditation. And as long as they help me, it is okay 🙂 and they do help, very much :). In my opinion one cannot have karma with them; rather, one can have programming that an Archangel is bad. It is like karma with God — God is genuinely good to us, we have “only” taken on some strange ideas from others about God, and that does not mean that God is like that. While manifesting such ideas we firmly believe that this is God, and only digging down to the original intentions makes us see God as He truly is :). What you are writing about I would call awareness and sobriety in this subject. If consciously, soberly and lucidly I am here and now, then obviously here and now I am the whole. 2008-05-21 13:06 verowa (f) will you say something about Archangels, or should I search for it in the topic? from my experience I will say this much about the Soul: if a person physically and >consciously< is somewhere, in some place, and is in contact with the Soul, knows what their Soul is currently doing, where it is, and for example works with it, then indeed the Soul does not move away and occupy itself with something else. however, if our consciousness flies somewhere else and we do not maintain contact with our Soul, then unfortunately it is no longer so cheerful. of course Souls do different things, by no means only negative or harmful ones. for the most part they do solid work intended to help them develop. nevertheless, if they have programmed patterns, they act according to those programs and then most often we have little control over them. I have just started looking through B. Moen’s book “Voyage Beyond Doubt”; in one of the first chapters it says quite plainly that the woman with whom Moen was exploring sits watching TV while her Soul (what they call “I-There”) makes a journey to Focus 15. this Soul clearly says that the person sitting in front of the TV will remember nothing from this journey. so what is the point of all this traveling? because after all it is the Soul that is supposed to learn, gain experience and knowledge; the human being is only a tool in its hand. but the situation is completely different with Bruce Moen, who in meditation consciously brings himself into an OBE state and consciously travels to Focus 15. they are there together, but only he will remember that journey. it is the same when one sees Souls. one simply sees them, and sometimes it is very clearly visible that they are doing something quite different from what they should be doing, or from what we would want them to do. shortly after I began seeing my own Soul, I discovered that she was flying after another Soul, trying to give birth to a messiah, because that was exactly what she had been prepared for and she had just decided that she had already reached such a level that she would make an excellent mother for a messiah. moreover, this lasted exactly one week. how do you think I felt, not seeing my Soul beside me and being aware that she was far away from me trying to give birth to a messiah. and what do I have to do with any messiahs?? of course now I am already able to cleanse myself more quickly of such missions and patterns and burdens. and that is exactly what all of this is about. these are things worth knowing. 2008-05-21 12:18 while (f) jacek Would you take a look at the amount of energetic manipulation in me? I am mainly interested in any possible difference between the past and now (because I myself can feel that even now it is not super clean — I am as though in my “average” energetic period of this life, meaning it has been much worse, but it has also been muuuch cleaner…) 2008-05-21 10:36 Danusia (f) Verowa if you search the archive you will find the answer… One session strictly speaking does not mean one session on the subject 🙂 2008-05-20 23:35 verowa (f) what do you think about this: http://www.mocaniola.com.pl/artykul.php?id=133 ? 2008-05-20 23:24 verowa (f) danusia, one session and you already know everything? you are fast, because getting to know the Soul took me a very, very long time, and in fact it continues to this day and will probably continue for a long, long time, perhaps until the end of my life… well, but maybe I am just a bit slow but let us return to the matter of Archangels, because the Soul is discussed in another thread. in my opinion the white astral realm is also managed by higher angelic hierarchies. you are experienced in this subject, perhaps you have your own observations concerning those who create this type of manipulation of Earth and its inhabitants. 2008-05-20 21:05 Danusia (f) Sławek Majda somehow the subject of the “Soul” in your approach irritates me. You present it as though this aspect of the Soul were indispensable in spiritual development. And it is not. It reminds me very much of white-angelic scheming. They too knew better what the other little Angels were supposed to do. That is why it surprises me that you write authoritatively that MariuszEro does not know what he is writing about. Do you know Mariusz? Because I stopped believing in fairy tales about Souls flying around /supposedly Souls come to someone at a moment when that person is consciously, physically somewhere else/ after a session I did for a female friend… just another charming high level of the astral realm… 2008-05-20 20:39 Sławomir Majda (m) Mariusz. it is a pity that you do not know what you are writing about. It would benefit you and your Soul. 2008-05-20 19:47 MariuszEro (m) verowa, Sławek: It would be useful to free yourselves from belief in the power of little angels, their wisdom… It will pay off. 2008-05-20 18:28 verowa (f) slawek, I already know what the issue with zarathustra is, and now you ask your Soul what influence she had on that religion and on its followers. and ask her at the same time why she is so eager to shift responsibility onto others. ultra, Archangels are simply angelic Souls with greater powers, in my opinion those that were among the first to obtain free will and separate themselves from God. only those Angels-Archangels that found a way not to descend into matter retain the higher powers. perhaps they remain in higher densities, on higher planes, as mojrzesz suggests, meaning in my opinion they operate not from the level of their Soul, but from the level of their higher self (here, note, I agree that the higher self is not perfect and also develops). that is what came through in today’s session with my Soul, which would possibly still need to be checked. those Archangels, or higher angelic hierarchies, that descended into matter lost most or all of their powers and are subject to the ordinary law of karma. in my opinion those Souls or their higher selves that operate from the astral realm or higher levels will likewise sooner or later have to descend and pass through the wheel of karma. as proof that there really are Angels who, because of great powers received from God, made themselves equal to Him and on their own try to impose order on Earth, it is enough to read most prophetic visions or apparitions and the foundations of all religions. everywhere, somewhere, some Archangel appeared to some unfortunate person and ordered him to write down his teachings and revealed truths, like one such being who appeared to zarathustra and now does not remember it. dym, if she is still studying something, that means she is not ready yet, but you can hurry her along and talk to her. and entrust to God all the books she reads; tell her to finally start living instead of studying with the intellect. jacek, Archangelic messages are definitely usually manipulations aimed at the ignorant masses, and I agree that not all evil lies only in the astral realm. during cleansing one can see successive patterns falling away (because they are attached) from every successive chakra, including those above the head and below the feet, and from each of the 12 individual bodies. therefore burdens are present on all bodies, although indeed there are usually the most of them on the astral body. in fact the overwhelming majority of burdens are on the astral body; the higher one goes, the fewer there are, but they are more subtle, harder to detect and free oneself from. the astral realm is simply the most visible and easiest to become aware of
• 2008-05-20 15:16 jacek now (m) verowa: the day before yesterday the subject of karma with Archangels came up for me. Verowa, Recently I was freeing myself from three more different manipulations by astral beings (one of them was repeated by persistent astral beings for the third or fourth time, another — as it turned out — had not been completely uprooted by me and made itself known again, while yet another, very strange and very well concealed one, I detected for the first time). Pleased with the success and at the same time tired of the fact that this subject just keeps dragging on and on, I decided to look at the matter of manipulation from a broader perspective (this was on Sunday morning). Here are the conclusions: = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = MANIPULATIONS NOT ONLY ASTRAL = = = = = = = = = = = = Manipulation is carried out not only by astral beings, but also by beings from higher levels. I myself freed myself and several people from manipulation by beings that do not possess an astral body, only a mental one, and therefore are (in my opinion) inhabitants of the same sphere as Angel-Land (the mental sphere). These beings can even bring a person into a manic-depressive state, or even schizophrenia (at least that is my insight into these matters, which so far I have not had the opportunity to verify more thoroughly through experience, or consult with someone competent in theory and at the same time possessing practical experience in this field). And K-symbionts (which cause the formation of “crocodiles”) are, after all — only now have I looked at the matter in this systematic way — also beings/entities manipulating humans. They are not residents of the astral or mental world. They do not even originate from the causal-buddhic-atmic worlds, meaning the sphere of the Soul. They come from an even higher sphere, which I call the sphere of intentions. I also know the subject of K-symbionts well, because I freed myself from them and helped a dozen or so people free themselves from them. What remain are the “spheres of the Soul,” meaning the causal-buddhic-atmic worlds. Here I had no practice, because I had not freed myself from any manipulations. Probably because I was not under the influence of such manipulations, so I had nothing to free myself from. And because I had not freed myself, I had not freed other people either, because I did not know the subject and it did not interest me. I was curious about the subject, but did not really know how to approach it, so I asked my intuition a question: how many different types of manipulation by beings from the “sphere of the Soul” are encountered. Answer: 4 Then I asked about people who came to mind. Here are the answers: (the first number — how many different types of manipulation the given person is currently subjected to; the number in parentheses — concerns the past.) Sławomir M. — 3 (4) Verowa ——- 1 (3) Edytka ——– 3 (4) Leszek ——– 3 (4) MarekB ——- 3 (3) Mirek ———- 4 (4) Sylvia ——— 4 (4) Dosia ———- 0 (4) Kinga R. ——- 0 (3) I put the notes aside because I did not really know what to do with them next. Besides, I was not sure whether this type of information was precise (or whether it had any value at all). But just now, when I read about the problem of “karma with Archangels,” it began to fit into the puzzle for me. — “Michael enslaves through the Violet Flame” — “Metatron casts very subtle white nets above the head while one reads their messages” These are, exactly as described, manipulations. But are they astral manipulations? There are people here on the forum who know the “geography” (or “topology”) of subtle worlds well — for example, people knowledgeable about Theosophy. But these people usually do not have sufficiently deep inner experiences of their own to creatively develop this knowledge. So for now they are left mainly with using other people’s theoretical knowledge. There are many people who have deep inner experiences, but because they are unfamiliar with the achievements of, among others, the Theosophists, they are unable to place the phenomena they experience within a specific sphere. Worse still, a pattern of pigeonholing has spread here according to which everything that is bad (meaning evaluated, valued or judged as “bad”) is “astral,” meaning that it is a phenomenon from the astral sphere. And that is not true. Definitely not true. And these manipulations by Michael and Metatron look to me like manipulations from the “spheres of the Soul” (causal, buddhic or atmic). Not from the astral sphere. 2008-05-20 13:07 UlotnyDym (m) Verowa, ask my Soul why she has such a problem, or whether she is still waiting for a breakthrough with this clairvoyance? Recently I caught her “in a dream” reading books on this subject! So any moment now, very soon. 2008-05-20 13:00 Ultraviolet (f) verowa perhaps these are precisely astral angels, impersonating others in order to draw energy, like for example Astral Mary or another deity. Besides, what you write is interesting. Exactly… Do ARCHangels exist? If so, do they have any specific goals, do they actually take care of anything? I have vague memories on this subject. Does anyone have any valuable information coming from memories, sessions? (because I do not necessarily believe those lists of angels, archangels, etc. from the internet) 2008-05-20 12:45 verowa (f) basically I know about what you are writing and basically I agree. but now I am asking about specific memories or experiences involving contact and karma with Angels/beings from higher densities, as you call them. karma with 4 Archangels came up for me, and because I had not heard anyone mention this, I am asking. I know they are nasty guys who, in the name of God, impose their own order here, regardless of the fact that they stand, so to speak, on the light side, or at least on the lighter side… actually I was hoping that you would share something from your personal memories, not fairy tales and generalities, but specifics. what, how, where, with whom and why. Michael, Metatron and I think Gabriel, and for now I do not remember the fourth one by name. you know, all their messages, prophecies, apparitions and announcements for the people, but not as they are presented in the sacred books of all religions, only how it looks from regression memories or awareness of incarnations. my Soul is now at the stage of cleansing those very, very early incarnations and there Archangels and living gods keep appearing again and again. and the little Angels from CUD did not only sit in Angel-Land, after all, but wandered elsewhere too, right? do you remember nothing about higher angelic hierarchies? 2008-05-20 00:32 mojrzesz73 (m) free will is enslaved by our own programs that we imposed upon ourselves, and for this reason we do not possess free will because we ourselves took it away from ourselves. But we have the illusion of free will, and that is already something And now I will tell you a fairy tale. Long, long ago, some trillions of Earth years ago, beings from the 12th density decided to do something so that matter could develop. Unfortunately, the guardians of the universes (8th density), together with their soldiers, the Archangels, blocked energies and created reality in their own way. In general, all levels created reality in their own way and there was no unity in action or any sense, because nothing good came of it apart from lessons in learning from one’s own stupidity.
• Some descended from the 12th density in order to change something in the lower densities, but nothing came of it; only the dark side was favorable toward them. Unfortunately they too became dark because they imposed the programs of the dark side upon themselves. Eventually some concluded that it made no sense, that everything had to be destroyed, and that it could only be destroyed by destroying matter so completely that not a single star remained in the Universe. They fell into a frenzy of destruction and perhaps destroyed several universes in this way until they reached the present one. And here they decided somehow to live, but they still possess destructive and constructive programs; it is as though God and a demon were sitting within one Soul. One has to come to an agreement with the other side, create one reality, but first heal oneself. We are all children pretending to be adults. Nothing will come of it if everyone thinks that they are perfect, adult, enlightened — because nobody is. No being in the Universe is enlightened, including those in the highest densities. The only thing that differentiates us is the place where we exist and the functions we undertake in order to play in the theater of events. Darkness as light, light as darkness — who knows who is who at present You can make up the rest of the fairy tale yourself 2008-05-19 18:16 verowa (f) marcin, everything on Earth is permitted because each of us possesses free will. The question is how we will use this free will… 2008-05-19 17:09 MArcin (m) It is enough to look at Tyberonn to understand what this is about: http://www.earth-keeper.com/ The guy is practically bursting at the seams with influences from the other side, not particularly pleasant ones for me. But I feel that the presence of these beings on Earth is not accidental. They are beings from civilizations that manifest themselves in this way, for now. Apparently there are people on Earth who are meant to join them. I feel that their presence is permitted, and that the choice of those people is their right, so they are here for those for whom they are here. The fact that not everyone likes this is another matter. However, I feel Babaji as very pure and luminous: http://www.kriyayoga.org.uk/images/babaji01.jpg 2008-05-19 13:04 verowa (f) I do not know why, but I sense judgment in your post, slawek? I know nothing about zarathustra, but I will look into it, thanks for the suggestion. 2008-05-19 07:58 Sławomir Majda (m) Go back to your cooperation with Zarathustra and become aware of what influence your Soul had on that religion and its followers. Become aware of what guidelines you gave that are still being carried out there to this day. 2008-05-18 11:15 verowa (f) the subject of karma with Archangels came up for me the day before yesterday. I had four of them, I was tied by cords running from them to me, but these cords were not attached to the chakras, they wrapped around me in the astral realm (my astral body). the karma was resolved, but the subject interested me. everything began with those unfortunate channelings of Archangel Michael and Metatron on Przebudzenie. A great deal of anger toward them and their subtle methods of manipulating Earth and its inhabitants came up for me (Michael enslaves through the Violet Flame, Metatron casts very subtle white nets over the head while one reads their messages). I almost got into a fight against them, which would have been like taking a hoe to the sun. fortunately, I am now confident enough in Divine protection that I gave up fighting and entrusted myself completely to Divine Love. I received a pane of glass that protects me from them, nevertheless I keep thinking a great deal about this karma. it would probably reach back to the times of angelic wars, perhaps to the fall/rebellion of the Angels itself. Atlantis is certainly coming back to haunt me, it appears that I was a Son of the One Law, but rebelled, left them because I did not like their manipulations. perhaps that was when I initiated myself into Belial. but I feel that all of this reaches very far back, probably even before Angels began incarnating on Earth. unfortunately I have very poor memory of incarnations. does any of you perhaps know something about this subject? I will immediately note that I am not interested in the opinions of admirers, defenders or slaves of the Archangels. Reply
• s_majda writes: 05/09/2010 at 11:32 (Edit) According to Jewish traditions, the biblical Enoch was taken up to heaven and became the Archangel Metatron. At least one of them was described reasonably well. Reply
• Anonymous writes: 12/06/2017 at 14:02 (Edit) http://anioly.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/11060039_894202810619096_1356562602604729634_n.jpg Here is the seal of Archangel Haniel. His name is inside; as can be seen, the seal contains a symbol resembling a penis. http://anioly.info/archaniolowie/haniel/ Reply
• s_majda writes: 05/05/2022 at 19:29 (Edit) The Nature of an Archangel > Link. “The astral body, in the case of Archangels, is by no means united with the etheric and physical bodies. The lowest part of them that we can find must be drawn like this: physical body, etheric body (Dr. III – 1,2); these have separated, while all the higher principles are above in higher worlds, so that we only have a complete picture of an Archangel when we seek it in two places and realize that this is not the same as with a human being, who unites all of them into one being. The spiritual part is above, and at the same time it is reflected below. The physical and etheric body can unite only when the physical consists of air or fire. For example, one could not perceive the physical bodies of those Archangels flowing in water; they could be recognized only in air and fire, and one had to be clairvoyant and only in the spiritual world find the spiritual county r-part of that rushing wind and fire. This is not connected either with its physical or with its etheric body.” […] “Those personalities that are imprisoned within their etheric body, which carried Archangels in post-Atlantean times, are called Bodhi-Sattvas. And those who are bearers of an Angel, who are therefore imprisoned in their physical, etheric and astral bodies, are called human Buddhas. “Thus we have three degrees: Dhyani-Buddha, Bodhi-Sattva and the human Buddha. This is the true teaching of the Buddhas, the classes and categories of Buddha that we must recognize in connection with the whole manner and means by which the Hierarchies fulfill their purposes. Here is the wonder that meets us when we look back upon earlier undeveloped human beings: that among these humans we find those through whom the Hierarchies speak. The Great Hierarchies speak down from the Cosmos to the Planets, and only gradually do these Spirits of the higher Hierarchies, who were active before the appearance of our Earth, emancipate the planetary human beings who live down here when they reach the necessary degree of maturity. Here we look into an unfathomable depth of wisdom. And it is of extraordinary significance that we understand this wisdom exactly as it was taught in every age when primordial wisdom was taught to humanity. “Thus, when you hear about Buddhas, because in Eastern teaching they do not speak of one Buddha only, but of many, among whom there are naturally different degrees of perfection — pay attention to this fact: a Buddha walks upon the Earth, but behind that Buddha there was a Bodhi-Sattva, and even a Dhyani-Buddha.” Rudolf Steiner

Opublikowano: 24/09/2026
Autor: Sławomir Majda
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